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Reece Macaulay's avatar

Quite frankly both are important, but of course there are a massive number of people who arenโ€™t

1. Liberal

2. Woke

Large portions vote Tory, because thats supposed to be their party.

Massive numbers of people are

1. Liberal

2.Woke

Large portions vote labour liberal and green, because thatโ€™s supposed to be their parties.

Large portions of people are

1.socially conservative

2. Economically left wing

Large portions vote reform because they think thatโ€™s their party

Parties donโ€™t long last leaving their voters for new ones, the problem is how do we solve the economic problems of modern Britain, whilst preserving and reforming her ancient institutions?

For this you need to dump in equal measure massive state centralisation and beaucracy AND free market mania. None of its relevant to todays economic problems, the economic effects the cultural and indeed seems to feed off one another.

For example family breakdown makes houses less affordable, fewer incomes to go around, things are also more expensive (more people employed the lower the earning power) but because prices are high and so is demand people delay getting married or having children. This makes the social welfare system unstableโ€ฆ and so on.

The problem with the modern Tories is they are wedded to Cameronโ€™s social policy (look what badenoch says about those who believe in family values) and blairite economic and political views.

Modernise by gutting these failed paradigms.

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Reed Roberts's avatar

I ascribe to a sort of political hierarchy of needs. The base of which obviously includes housing. The tip of the pyramid live in a purchased home, index-linked, garden center lifestyle. Devoid of any practical daily annoyances, care to wax lyrical about the build quality of their kitchen utensils, wheather a trans person may theoretically exists, or a car brand they don't own is sufficiently britishy. Mother - I have a six figure job and I can't afford to buy a home within a 45 minute commute of my work, stop talking to me about bathrooms.

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James's avatar

I spoke to someone after a politics event at the pub recently, and I thought their approach to the culture war was all politics, with limited humanity.

The way most people experience it if at all is a colleague or family member that โ€˜dresses a bit differently and is a bit oddโ€™. Much more human scale than grand, cold ideology.

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Reed Roberts's avatar

I think people have a lot of basic humanity for those they meet. That said, my grandma started watching GB News recently. I'm kind of working on a theory that people's basic opinions are the mean of the media they've consumed in the past 1k hours. And those talking points really stick - she was sort of an accepting apolitical being before.

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